General Golf Discussion Attesting Golf Scores
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Posted: July 25, 2010 • Views: 1,105 • Replies: 59 • Go to Last Reply |
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Too many people are attesting golf scores on this site when they weren't actually playing a round with them on that certain date just to get points. Yes and I was one of them. I don't know why people have to do such things they didn't do to get to a certain level that won't change who they are when they sleep each night. The only reason I attested so many scores was to try and show DG how annoying and confusing it is to do that to so many people. And there were others doing this. PeteG512 and Joe29 among others. Anyway something needs to be done about this. It came as no suprise and actually a gift to me when I wake up to find Greenreader telling me 6,000 of my points are gone. POINTS DO NOT AFECT WHO YOU ARE AS A HUMAN-BEING WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP EACH NIGHT. And honestly what good are you doing to the person who's score you attested? The points/WOL are a nice bonus to Stracka but people take them way too seriously if they attest 5,000 golf scores that they didn't see in one night which makes others unhappy while they cheer away as a new legend. Sorry for the rant but either attesting scores has to go or the points and Wall of Legends needs to go. |
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# 1 on 7/25/2010 10:01:50 AM |
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The Wall of Legends does NOT need to go. Attesting scores does NOT need to go. Points do NOT need to go. Just like in the game of golf, it's all about honesty. Cheat ... and your accomplishment is tarnished ... and your reputation is tarnished. People make mistakes ... but if they are honest mistakes, then that's part of life. However, deliberate actions of dishonesty cannot be tolerated.
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# 2 on 7/25/2010 10:17:47 AM |
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The Wall of Legends does NOT need to go. Attesting scores does NOT need to go. Points do NOT need to go. Just like in the game of golf, it's all about honesty. Cheat ... and your accomplishment is tarnished ... and your reputation is tarnished. People make mistakes ... but if they are honest mistakes, then that's part of life. However, deliberate actions of dishonesty cannot be tolerated. You shouldn't be able to ATTEST a score unless the player asks you too. |
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# 3 on 7/25/2010 10:19:12 AM |
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Hopefully, that will be change that Stracka will consider. The Wall of Legends does NOT need to go. Attesting scores does NOT need to go. Points do NOT need to go. Just like in the game of golf, it's all about honesty. Cheat ... and your accomplishment is tarnished ... and your reputation is tarnished. People make mistakes ... but if they are honest mistakes, then that's part of life. However, deliberate actions of dishonesty cannot be tolerated. |
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# 4 on 7/25/2010 10:54:06 AM |
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cogolfer1, you know my stance on this "Wall of Legend" points race that everybody seems to be on. When I went to the WOL page and saw the running Blog on how some were "chasing points", it was disappointing. In fact, I even commented on this very topic & you (coglofer1) replied saying that you diagreed with my stance. Is it becasue danielgarcia got 15,000 points in one day and passed you on the Wall that you have this change of heart? I could care less about the points, in fact I'm starting to care less about this site in general. The Handicap/Stat keeping is the only reason I'm on here, and to be honest with you there are several other sites that keep more indepth stats that are FREE. I figured it was just a matter of time before people started to abuse the ATTEST option just to get points, not knowing (or probably knowing, but not caring) that you have to play with that person to attest their score. This site is starting to give me 'tired head'.
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# 5 on 7/25/2010 11:07:15 AM |
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You should'nt be able to attest any one's score in a round that you were not a part of. PERIOD.
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# 6 on 7/25/2010 11:19:31 AM |
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I recently had one of my scores attested by someone that did not play in my round. I did not know this was possible until it happened. I agree that it should not be an option unless you send them a request. Also, I know that you used to be able to request up to four people to attest a score. Is it now only 1? Stracka has done a good job of including the e-mail option for those not members of Stracka. Admin does a good job of listening and changing the site. I am sure they are listening to these as well.
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# 7 on 7/25/2010 11:29:21 AM |
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We knew that once we introduced the attesting feature, it would get abused by some. The question was how many. Cog - your statement that "too many people" are attesting scores just aren't true. There are some, but they are few. Just like the game of golf, we believe that most of you are trustworthy and honest. However, for the few that aren't, we have technology under the covers of our attesting feature, that can determine if an attest is true or false....so in the event a score needs to be examined, we have that ability. |
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# 8 on 7/25/2010 11:45:23 AM |
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cogolfer1, you know my stance on this "Wall of Legend" points race that everybody seems to be on. When I went to the WOL page and saw the running Blog on how some were "chasing points", it was disappointing. In fact, I even commented on this very topic & you (coglofer1) replied saying that you diagreed with my stance. Is it becasue danielgarcia got 15,000 points in one day and passed you on the Wall that you have this change of heart? I could care less about the points, in fact I'm starting to care less about this site in general. The Handicap/Stat keeping is the only reason I'm on here, and to be honest with you there are several other sites that keep more indepth stats that are FREE. I figured it was just a matter of time before people started to abuse the ATTEST option just to get points, not knowing (or probably knowing, but not caring) that you have to play with that person to attest their score. This site is starting to give me 'tired head'. It isn't the fact that he passed me. It's the fact he's so desperate to get points and is cheating to get them. That's what I don't like. |
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# 9 on 7/25/2010 11:45:55 AM |
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The Wall of Legends does NOT need to go. Attesting scores does NOT need to go. Points do NOT need to go. Just like in the game of golf, it's all about honesty. Cheat ... and your accomplishment is tarnished ... and your reputation is tarnished. People make mistakes ... but if they are honest mistakes, then that's part of life. However, deliberate actions of dishonesty cannot be tolerated. I agree. That would solve all problems. |
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# 10 on 7/25/2010 11:47:57 AM |
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We knew that once we introduced the attesting feature, it would get abused by some. The question was how many. Cog - your statement that "too many people" are attesting scores just aren't true. There are some, but they are few. It's too mnay, Greenreader. A 6th grade math teacher of mine said something like "If one person fails the class, then too many people have failed." Same thing here. |
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# 11 on 7/25/2010 11:58:43 AM |
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So, because someone else breaks the rule, this gives you license to break the rules as well? No, that shouldn't be the solution. You should continue to be honest in what you do. A victory, an accomplishment, an award ... received dishonestly ... is instantly tarnished and questioned. Even if only the dishonest person knows how it was attained, one would hope that his conscience will remind the person of his misdeeds. Although not all dishonest people get caught ... and the honest people sometimes don't receive what is deserved ... I believe that life has a way of evening the playing field and righting wrongs ... one way or another. cogolfer1, you know my stance on this "Wall of Legend" points race that everybody seems to be on. When I went to the WOL page and saw the running Blog on how some were "chasing points", it was disappointing. In fact, I even commented on this very topic & you (coglofer1) replied saying that you diagreed with my stance. Is it becasue danielgarcia got 15,000 points in one day and passed you on the Wall that you have this change of heart? I could care less about the points, in fact I'm starting to care less about this site in general. The Handicap/Stat keeping is the only reason I'm on here, and to be honest with you there are several other sites that keep more indepth stats that are FREE. I figured it was just a matter of time before people started to abuse the ATTEST option just to get points, not knowing (or probably knowing, but not caring) that you have to play with that person to attest their score. This site is starting to give me 'tired head'. |
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# 12 on 7/25/2010 11:59:39 AM |
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We knew that once we introduced the attesting feature, it would get abused by some. The question was how many. Cog - your statement that "too many people" are attesting scores just aren't true. There are some, but they are few. |
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# 13 on 7/25/2010 12:02:07 PM |
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Two things--Cogolfer I am surprised at you for attesting to a score you did not witness, you are better than that and you know the rules of golf. I am sure it will not happen again, mistakes happen. sberend- I agree that it is annoying that people post to two year old subjects and some people are focused on the points status only. But there are many of us on this site that enjoy the points games like Closest to the pin or Luck-a. They are fun and challenging while giving a group of people the chance to interact through the site. So should we be forced to give these things up because you don't enjoy them?? If you only use the site for handicap and stats that's fine just do those things and you will not have to put up with the things you don't like. I am not saying that in a harmful way I just don't understand why you would want the site run your way and the rest of us--too bad. The world is full of cheats, malcontents and abusers, let me know when you find a site or any place where they don't exist, I will join immediately. But until then we make the best of what we have--this site is interesting and well run, the administrators answer questions pretty quickly and do their best to keep the cheats in check. Nothing is perfect, but this site is enjoyable and fun. |
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# 14 on 7/25/2010 12:09:59 PM |
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So, because someone else breaks the rule, this gives you license to break the rules as well? No, that shouldn't be the solution. You should continue to be honest in what you do. A victory, an accomplishment, an award ... received dishonestly ... is instantly tarnished and questioned. Even if only the dishonest person knows how it was attained, one would hope that his conscience will remind the person of his misdeeds. Although not all dishonest people get caught ... and the honest people sometimes don't receive what is deserved ... I believe that life has a way of evening the playing field and righting wrongs ... one way or another. I know what I did was wrong and I regret it and promise I will not attest a single golf score ever again unless I actually saw it. At the time I just felt obligated to do it and wasn't thinking hard enough. Everything you said is absolutely correct. |
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# 15 on 7/25/2010 12:41:31 PM |
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Huh...guys "cheating" to get points on a website that is about a game built on honesty and integrity. Irony, you are a cruel mistress. Personally, I don't get the whole points thing.....I ended up on the forum as a result of Golf Galaxy redoing their handicap website, which I guess formed a partnership with Stracka? I couldn't care less about "points" or whatever....I come here to learn and talk about golf stuff. Lord knows my wife gets sick of me always talking about mundane golf stuff, so being able to do it with other junkies is a good compromise!! |
